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The Essential Louis Armstrong: Disc 1 (Recordings 1925-30)

B1 LUNCH TUESDAY @ 12 :05 Guerrazzi Mottin-Berger . B2 LUNCH WED. @ 12:05 1. Binko 2. Burns 3. Coupet 4. Fenton 5. Woodby . The Essential Louis Armstrong: Disc 1 (Recordings 1925-30). GROUP ASSIGNMENT #2.

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The Essential Louis Armstrong: Disc 1 (Recordings 1925-30)

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  1. B1 LUNCH TUESDAY @ 12:05 Guerrazzi Mottin-Berger B2 LUNCH WED. @ 12:05 1. Binko 2. Burns 3. Coupet 4. Fenton 5. Woodby The Essential Louis Armstrong: Disc 1 (Recordings 1925-30)

  2. GROUP ASSIGNMENT #2 Standard Exam Task: Apply Authorities Studied to New Hypothetical or “Fact Pattern” • Assmt#1 : Structured Sequence of Arguments • Assmt #2: Wider Range of Arguments

  3. GROUP ASSIGNMENT #2 WideRange of Arguments w 2 Limits • Each Team Only Addresses One Issue: • “First Possession” = Was There a Moment When Wolverine Became Property Of P? • “Escape” = Did P Lose Property Rights When Wolverine “Escaped” to D’s Property (Must Assume P Acquired a Property Right)

  4. GROUP ASSIGNMENT #2 WideRange of Arguments w 2 Limits • Each Team Only Addresses One of Two Issues (1st Possession -OR- Escape) • Stick to Your Issue • Be Very Careful If You Use Authority Focused on Other Issue

  5. GROUP ASSIGNMENT #2 WideRange of Arguments w 2 Limits • Each Team Only Addresses One Issue • Representing One Particular Party • All Arguments Must Support Your Client • Legal Smeagols: Identify Other Side’s Best Arguments, Then Respond to Them

  6. GROUP ASSIGNMENT #2 Some General Points • Care re Formatting & Substantive Directions • Review “Common Writing Concerns” • Working Together: • Due October 21 (Sunday after Break) • Before Break Should Work Out Individual Responsibilities and Timing QUESTIONS?

  7. The Logic of Albers • Domesticated or Wild? • Addressing Prior Authority • What The Case Holds • Critique

  8. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? Parties’ Presumption (p.44): 2 Available Rules • Rule for Wild Animals (Mullett/Blkstone) under which finder (D) likely wins here (so D supports) • Rule for Domestic Animals under which Original Owner (P) clearly wins here (so P supports)

  9. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? Parties’ Presumption (p.44): 2 Available Rules • Rule for Wild Animals (Mullett/Blkstone) under which finder (D) likely wins here (so D supports) • Rule for Domestic Animals under which Original Owner (P) clearly wins here (so P supports) Leads to sequence of arguments about whether fox is wild or domestic, 4 of which we’ll look at in detail.

  10. The Logic of Albers • Domesticated or Wild? • Species v. Individual? (DQ53d) • Birth in Captivity? • Taxation of Fur Foxes? (DQ53c) • Black’s’ Definition of “Domestic Animal”

  11. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (1) Oxygen: DQ53d (last para. p.45): “Counsel for defendant insists that whether an animal be wild or domestic must be determined from the species, not from the individual.” Why would D argue this?

  12. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (1) Oxygen: DQ53d (last para. p.45): “Counsel for defendant insists that whether an animal be wild or domestic must be determined from the species, not from the individual.” D wants Mullett rule, so wants animal to be wild. Argues that all foxes are wild. Court’s Response?

  13. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (1) Oxygen: DQ53d (last para. p.45): “Counsel for defendant insists that whether an animal be wild or domestic must be determined from the species, not from the individual.” Court says no; nature of AR indicates that, under the Mullettrule, you look at individual animals.

  14. The Logic of Albers • Domesticated or Wild? • Determine by Individual not Species • Birth in Captivity? • Taxation of Fur Foxes? (DQ53c) • Black’s’ Definition of “Domestic Animal”

  15. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (2) End 3d para. p.46 : “Nor has birth in captivity anything to do with the question. A wild cat may be just as wild if born in a cage as if born on a mountainside.” P must have argued that animal is “domesticated” if born in captivity (so fox here is domesticated). Court disagrees in this passage.

  16. The Logic of Albers • Domesticated or Wild? • Determine by Individual not Species • Birth in Captivity Irrelevant • Taxation of Fur Foxes? (DQ53c) (featuring G.I. Joe) • Black’s’ Definition of “Domestic Animal”

  17. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (3) OXYGEN: DQ53c (last full para.p.44):Plaintiff argued that “foxes are taxable in this state, hence the common-law rule as to domesticated animals applies….” What does P likely believe is the relevance of taxation here?

  18. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (3) OXYGEN: DQ53c: Gist of P’s argument likely is “You are making me pay taxes on foxes as a valuable asset; only fair to treat them as domesticated animals (which are similarly taxed).” (Clever Argument)

  19. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (3) OXYGEN: DQ53c: “You are making me pay taxes on foxes as a valuable asset; only fair to treat them as domesticated animals (which are similarly taxed).” Court doesn’t respond directly, but • Could again say that relevant doctrine looks at individual animals, not species • Taxation likely also true for, e.g., zoo animals, and tax system is separate legal structure not binding here.

  20. Characterization of Same Item in Different Legal Contexts • Common for a particular type of property or intangible interest to be governed by more than one set of legal rules, each of which applies in a different context. • Example: A time-share interest in a resort might be treated • like ownership of part of a building for tax purposes • like a hotel room for purposes of anti-discrimination law • like a share of stock for purposes of securities laws.

  21. Characterization of Same Item in Different Legal Contexts • Sensible to argue that the legal treatment of the item in one context should be relevant to its treatment in other contexts. • BUT be aware that, because different sets of rules have different purposes, there is no requirement that an item has to be treated in a consistent manner by different sets of applicable rules. • Characterizations for tax purposes are frequently different than others.

  22. Characterization of Same Item in Different Legal Contexts G.I. Joe: I am an “Action Figure” …

  23. Characterization of Same Item in Different Legal Contexts G.I. Joe: I am an “Action Figure” even though Customs Regulations call me a “Doll” 

  24. The Logic of Albers • Domesticated or Wild? • Determine by Individual not Species • Birth in Captivity Irrelevant • Taxation of Fur Foxes Irrelevant • Black’s’ Definition of “Domestic Animal”

  25. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (4) Top para. p.46: “Mr. Black's definition of domestic animals as ‘such as contribute to the support of a family or the wealth of a community’ would include all fur-bearing animals held in captivity, wherever born or however wild.”

  26. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (4) Top para. p.46: “Mr. Black's definition of domestic animals as ‘such as contribute to the support of a family or the wealth of a community’ would include all fur-bearing animals held in captivity, wherever born or however wild.” Again, P must have argued that, b/c she makes $$$ off of foxes, they are “domestic animals” under this definition. The court rejects the definition as too inclusive, and thus inconsistent with requiring individualized determination of “domestic” v. “wild”.

  27. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (4) Top para. p.46: “Mr. Black's definition of domestic animals as ‘such as contribute to the support of a family or the wealth of a community’ would include all fur-bearing animals held in captivity, wherever born or however wild.” “Would include” here is subjunctive form, used to describe hypothetical situations.

  28. The Logic of Albers: Domesticated or Wild? (4) Top para. p.46: “Mr. Black's definition of domestic animals as ‘such as contribute to the support of a family or the wealth of a community’ would include all fur-bearing animals held in captivity, wherever born or however wild.” Sense here is “If we adopted this as the legal definition (which we won’t), all fur-bearing animals in captivity would be characterized as ‘domestic animals’ (which would be wrong).”

  29. The Logic of Albers • Domesticated or Wild? • Determine by Individual • Birth in Captivity Irrelevant • Taxation of Fur Foxes Irrelevant • Black’s’ Definition of “Domestic Animal”: Too Broad Questions?

  30. The Logic of Albers • Domesticated or Wild • Addressing Prior Authority • What The Case Holds • Critique

  31. The Logic of Albers 2. Addressing Prior Authority • Tort Liability v. Property Rights • Prior Escape Cases • Manning (DQ52) • Generally (DQ54) • Ontario Case (DQ53a) • “Wholly Inapplicable” Cases • Statute re Common Law (DQ53b)

  32. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority p.46 (3d para.): Discussion of legal connection between tort liability and property rights: We’ll come back to with Kesler & DQ57

  33. The Logic of Albers 2. Addressing Prior Authority • Tort Liability v. Property Rights • Prior Escape Cases • Manning (DQ52) • Generally (DQ54) • Ontario Case (DQ53a) • “Wholly Inapplicable” Cases • Statute re Common Law (DQ53b)

  34. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority RADIUM: DQ52: How does Albers characterize the holding in Manning?

  35. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority RADIUM: DQ52: How does Albers characterize the holding in Manning? One Escape/Return = Animus Revertendi (Bottom p.45) Is This a Fair Characterization?

  36. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority • Albers characterizes the holding in Manningas “One Escape/Return = AR” • BUT Nothing in Manning refers to Blackstone Rule or to “Intent to Return” or AR • So why does court say this?

  37. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority • Albers characterizes the holding in Manningas “One Escape/Return = AR” • Court (or treatise authors) might read Manning this way to reconcile result with the Mullett/Blackstone Rule: Court returned bird to OO, so must’ve believed AR. • Other ways to reconcile? (RADIUM)

  38. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority • Albers characterizes the holding in Manningas “One Escape/Return = AR” • Other ways to reconcile the result with the Mullett/Blackstone Rule? • Canary was domesticated not wild. • Canary never returned to NL.

  39. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority • Albers characterizes the holding in Manningas “One Escape/Return = AR” • Trying to reconcile the result with the Mullett/Blackstone Rule • Note that Georgia case and NY case do not have to agree; OK if not reconcilable.

  40. The Logic of Albers 2. Addressing Prior Authority • Tort Liability v. Property Rights • Prior Escape Cases • Manning • Generally (DQ54) • Ontario Case (DQ53a) • “Wholly Inapplicable” Cases • Statute re Common Law (DQ53b)

  41. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority Top p.46: Prior authorities on escape “are rather confusing than enlightening….”

  42. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority Top p.46: Prior authorities “even suggest that one modification of the rule would permit the owner to recover if he could identify his property. “Even” means here?

  43. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority Top p.46: Prior authorities “even[wrongly/ stupidly go so far as to] suggest that one modification of the rule would permit the owner to recover if he could identify his property. We know of no case so applying it (save those dealing with bees)… .”

  44. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority Top p.46: Prior authorities “even suggest that one modification of the rule would permit the owner to recover if he could identify his property … [T]he injustice of its application to one who captures or kills ordinary wild animals which have escaped from restraint and returned to their natural habitat is apparent.” URANIUM DQ54: To whom does court think it’s unjust?

  45. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority [T]he injustice of its application to one who captures or kills ordinary wild animals which have escaped from restraint and returned to their natural habitat is apparent.” • Must be unjust to F, since under “modification” OO always wins if can i.d. animal. • URANIUM DQ54: Why unjust?

  46. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority [T]he injustice of its application to one who captures or kills ordinary wild animals which have escaped from restraint and returned to their natural habitat is apparent.” • Must be unjust to F, since under “modification” OO always wins if can i.d. animal. • Maybe because F has no notice (“ordinary” animals) • Maybe because F might start to invest • Also maybe because OO hasn’t done enough to control

  47. The Logic of Albers 2. Addressing Prior Authority • Tort Liability v. Property Rights • Prior Escape Cases • Manning • Generally • Ontario Case (DQ53a) • “Wholly Inapplicable” Cases • Statute re Common Law (DQ53b)

  48. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority OXYGEN: DQ53a: Campbell (Ontario) • Who do you think won the case? • What is the significance to the logic of Albers of the Ontario statute “correcting” the case?

  49. The Logic of Albers: Addressing Prior Authority OXYGEN: DQ53a: Campbell (Ontario) • Finder wins case re fur fox under Mullettrule • Ontario legislature thinks this is bad result • Passes law overruling it to protect industry • Sequence of events suggests Mullettrule out-of-date or inappropriate re fur foxes.

  50. The Logic of Albers 2. Addressing Prior Authority • Tort Liability v. Property Rights • Prior Escape Cases • “Wholly Inapplicable” Cases • Statute re Common Law (DQ53b)

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