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Objective Moral Values and Duties Do Exist. The Best Way We Can Know Objective/Absolute Moral Laws Exist. We best know what is right and wrong by our reactions not our actions. We cannot know injustice unless we know justice!. The Standard of Justice.
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The Best Way We Can Know Objective/Absolute Moral Laws Exist • We best know what is right and wrong by our reactions not our actions. • We cannot know injustice unless we know justice!
The Standard of Justice • “{As an atheist} my argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? Straight line = Standard C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity, p. 45
We Are Not Saying What We Are Saying • Atheists can’t justify morality • Atheism can theorize about how we know murder is wrong, but atheism provides no objective standard that establishes why murder is wrong. Atheists can’t be moral they can Atheists can’t know morality they do
I Agree With Atheists • Some atheists live better moral lives than Christians. • Some who people who say they are “Church people” have poisoned the teachings of Christ– church history has often been unjust, immoral and even overtly evil. • We Are Only Saying • There is no just or unjust, moral or immoral, good or evil unless God exists
If Objective Moral Standards Do Not Exist… • The Nazis were not wrong • 9/11 was not wrong. • Love is no better than rape • Blowing up innocent people watching a marathon is morally no different than feeding the poor. • Religious crusades are not wrong. • Tolerance is no better than intolerance. • There are no human rights.
Different Values or Different Displays? • Kissing vs Handshakes • Different values? Or different reflections of same values? • Dress codes • Driving on sides of the road
The Beef with India Absolute Value vs Relative Understanding Value is the same: Respect elders and ancestors Understanding differs: Where is my ancestor? WE BOTH BELIEVE WE SHOULD NOT EAT GRANDMA!
Objective vs. Convention • Objective may be ‘murder is wrong’ • Convention may be wether your drive on the right side of the road or left side • British left America right • If the convention is you drive on the left, then you have a moral obligation to do so because if not you will bring harm to yourself/others • While the convention may be relative, the obeying is objective because its for the preservation of life.
Objective Moral Values and Duties Exist • We can best know morality by our reactions not our actions • If there is no objective standard, there is nothing right or wrong; it’s just your opinion against Hitler’s opinion • Cultures share the same values, we are expressed differently in that culture