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November 2011 TGac Ad Hoc Meeting Agenda. Authors:. Date: 2011-10-29. IEEE 802.11ac: VHT < 6 GHz Task Group. San Jose, California November 2-4, 2011 Chair: Osama Aboul-Magd (Huawei Technologies) Vice Chair: Menzo Wentink (Qualcomm) Vice Chair: Joonsuk Kim (Broadcom)
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November 2011 TGac Ad Hoc Meeting Agenda Authors: Date: 2011-10-29 Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
IEEE 802.11ac:VHT < 6 GHzTask Group San Jose, California November 2-4, 2011 Chair: Osama Aboul-Magd (Huawei Technologies) Vice Chair: Menzo Wentink (Qualcomm) Vice Chair: Joonsuk Kim (Broadcom) Technical Editor: Robert Stacey (Apple) Secretary: David Yang (Huawei Technologies) Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Meeting Protocol Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot Slide 3 Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Patent Policy • Following 5 slides Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
The IEEE-SA strongly recommends that at each WG meeting the chair or a designee: Show slides #1 through #4 of this presentation Advise the WG attendees that: The IEEE’s patent policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy and is described in Clause 6 of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws; Early identification of patent claims which may be essential for the use of standards under development is strongly encouraged; There may be Essential Patent Claims of which the IEEE is not aware. Additionally, neither the IEEE, the WG, nor the WG chair can ensure the accuracy or completeness of any assurance or whether any such assurance is, in fact, of a Patent Claim that is essential for the use of the standard under development. Instruct the WG Secretary to record in the minutes of the relevant WG meeting: That the foregoing information was provided and that slides 1 through 4 (and this slide 0, if applicable) were shown; That the chair or designee provided an opportunity for participants to identify patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) of which the participant is personally aware and that may be essential for the use of that standard Any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. The WG Chair shall ensure that a request is made to any identified holders of potential essential patent claim(s) to complete and submit a Letter of Assurance. It is recommended that the WG chair review the guidance in IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual 6.3.5 and in FAQs 12 and 12a on inclusion of potential Essential Patent Claims by incorporation or by reference. Note: WG includes Working Groups, Task Groups, and other standards-developing committees with a PAR approved by the IEEE-SA Standards Board. Instructions for the WG Chair (Optional to be shown) Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform • All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: • “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents • “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents orpatent claims • “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) • The above does not apply if the patentclaim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group • Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 • Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged • No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws http://standards.ieee.org/guides/bylaws/sect6-7.html#6 IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual http://standards.ieee.org/guides/opman/sect6.html#6.3 Material about the patent policy is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-material.html Patent Related Links If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html This slide set is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Slide #2 Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Call for Potentially Essential Patents Slide #3 Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings • All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. • Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. • Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. • Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. • Technical considerations remain primary focus • Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. • Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. • Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. • --------------------------------------------------------------- • See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
General Flow of the Meeting • Wednesday • Administrivia • Editor Report • Resolution of Comments • Thursday • Resolution of Comments • Friday • Resolution of Comments • Editor Report • Adjourn Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Agenda for Wednesday, November 2nd , 09:00 – 18:00 • TG meeting call to order • Host Information • Patent policy, etc • Current Status of Comment Resolution • Call for submissions • Set agenda • Comment Resolution Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Host Information • Thanks to Cisco for hosting the TGac ad hoc meeting • Special thanks to Brian Hart for arranging facilities. Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Telecon Minutes • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1418-00-00ac-tgac-teleconference-minutes-20111027.doc • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1407-00-00ac-tgac-teleconference-minutes-20111020.doc • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1380-00-00ac-tgac-teleconference-minutes-20111013.doc • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1367-00-00ac-tgac-teleconference-minutes-20111006.doc • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1352-01-00ac-tgac-teleconference-minutes-20110929.doc All Straw Polls will be converted to Motions during the IEEE 802.11 Meeting next week Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Agenda (Wednesday) • 9:30 – 11:00 • Comment resolution • 11:00 – 11:15 • Break • 11:15 – 12:30 • Comment resolution • 12:30 – 1:15 • Lunch • 1:15 – 3:00 • Comment resolution • 3:00 – 4:00 • VHT5G TTG, Break, offline discussions • 4:00 – 6:00 • Comment resolution Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Submissions • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1387-02-00ac-11ac-mac-comment-resolution.doc- Liwen (MAC) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1410-00-00ac-comment-resolutions-on-vht-siga.doc - Roy (PHY) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1391-01-00ac-proposed-resolutions-to-lb-178-miscellaneous-comments.docx - Osama • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1362-04-00ac-pics-comment-resolution.docx- Osama • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1385-00-00ac-making-quiet-channel-element-work-for-11a-11n-clients.ppt - Brian • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1384-00-00ac-d1-comment-resolution-brianh-part8.docx - Brian • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1279-02-00ac-comment-resolution-8-4-2-102.docx - Chao-Chun • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1360-02-00ac-d1-0-comment-resolution-phy-miscellaneous.docx - Minho • 11/1441, D1.0-comment-resolution-clause-8.5.2.6, Minho (MAC) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1440-00-00ac-d1-0-comment-resolution-phy-miscellaneous-part2.docx , Minho Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Submissions (Cntd) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1439-01-00ac-comment-resolution-control-frames-rates.docx , Simone • 11/1437, D10 Link Adaptation Comment Resolutions, Hongyuan (MAC) • 11/1433, vht-bss-channel-selection, Yong (COEX) • 11/1432, cid 2916 and 3584 comment resolutions, Yong (COEX) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1431-00-00ac-d1-0-sounding-comment-resolution-part-4.doc , Yong • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1020-04-00ac-comment-resolution-mac-cids-part-1.doc - Reza (MAC) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1392-02-00ac-lb178-resolution-for-cid-2123.docx - Robert • 11/1365r1 Sean (PHY) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1443-00-00ac-lb178-cid-2612-et-al-proposed-resolutions.doc - Adrian (COEX) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1258-00-00ac-proposed-resolutions-for-comments-related-to-max-lengths.docx - Peter Loc (MAC) Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Submissions (Cntd) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1448-00-00ac-comment-resolution-on-info-element.docx - Peter Loc (MAC) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1449-00-00ac-lb178-comment-resolution-for-cids-related-to-rts-cts.docx - Peter Loc (COEX) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1450-00-00ac-lb178-comment-resolution-for-cids-2922-3441-phy.docx Peter Loc (PHY) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1451-00-00ac-d1-0-comment-resolution-misc-cids-2303-2390-2862-3404-3409.doc - Illsoo (PHY) • 11/1452, D1.0-comment-resolution-Group-ID-management-operation, Illsoo (MU) • 11/xxxx David Yang (MAC) • 11/xxxx Jae Seung • 11/xxxx Jae Seung • 11/xxxx Illsoo • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1458-00-00ac-comment-resolutions-on-ndpa.docx- David Yang • 11/1459 Robert (MIBS) Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #1 • Do you agree with resolutions of CIDs 2180, 2558, 2789, 3134,2123, as in 1392 r2? • No objection noted. Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #2 • Do you agree with resolutions of CIDs 2571, 3356, 3075, 3365, 3582, 3586, 3721, and 2118, as in 1391 r2? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #3 • Do you agree with resolutions of CIDs 2179, 2508, 2509, 2510, 2511, 2512, 2513, 2514, 2515, 2516, 2517, 2520, 3614, 2615, 3616, 3617, 3618, and 3735, as in 1362 r5? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #4 • Do you agree with resolutions of CIDs 3405, 3420, as in 1384 r0? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #5 • Do you agree with resolutions for CIDs 2609, 2624, 3699, 3322, 3697, and 3719 as in 11/1279r2? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #6 • Do you agree with resolutions for CID 2399 and 2404 as in 11/1360r2? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #7 • Do you agree with resolutions for CID 3595, 2349, 2746, 3037 and 3759 as in 11/1440r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #8 • Do you agree with resolutions for CIDs 3080, 3081, 3082, 3083 as in 11/1439r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #9 • Do you agree with resolutions for CIDs 3045, 3104 as in 1448r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #10 • Do you agree with resolution for CIDs 2922, as in 1450r0? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #11 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs 2685, 3677, 3468, 3458, 3072, 3358, and 2170 as in 11/1431r1? • No Objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Agenda for Thursday, November 3rd , 9:00 – 18:00 • 9:00 – 10:30 • Comment Resolution • 10:45 – 12:30 • Comment Resolution • 1:30 – 3:30 • Comment Resolution • 4:00 – 6:00 • Comment Resolution Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #12 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs 2303, 2390, 2862, 3404, and 3409 as in 11/1451r1? Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #13 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs , 2955, 3091, 3745, and 3714 as in 11/1020r5? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #14 • Do you support changes to Clause 22.3.11.2 and adding a new section 22.3.11.4 as in 11/1364r0? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #15 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs , 2157, 2158, and 3047 as in 11/1387r3? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll # 16 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs , 2964, 3270, 2061, 2418, 2424, 2231, 2423, 3143, 2320, 2965, 2417, and 3124 as in 11/1410r3? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #17 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs 2456 and 3467 as in 11/1365r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #18 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs 2932, 2933, 2937 as in 11/1449r1? • Yes: 1 • No: 13 • Abstain: 7 Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll # 19 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs 2612, 2628, 2734, 3702, 2937, 2933, 2932 as in 11/1443r1? • Yes: 18 • No: 1 • Abstain : 5 Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #20 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs 2168, 2169, 2194, 2528, 2681, 2682, 2930, 2951, 3264, 3427, 3430, 3433, 3434, 3435, 3436, 3437, 3442, 3572, 3655, 3726, 3727, 3728, 3776, 3807 as in 1437r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll # 21 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs 3579, 3057, 2506, 3623 as in 11/1459r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #22 • Do you agree with resolutions of CIDs 2916, 3497 and 3584 as in document 11/1432r1? • Yes: 27 • No: 1 • Abstain: 1 Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #23 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs 3360, 2119, 2120, and 2121 as in doc 11/1452r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll # 24 • Do you agree with the resolution of CID 2353 as in doc 11/1369r2? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll # 25 • Do you agree with the resolution of CID 3775 as in doc 11/1437r2? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll # 26 • Do you agree with resolutions of CIDs 2026 and 2159 as in doc 11/1458r0? • No objection. Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Agenda for Friday, November 4th, 9:00 – 18:00 • Comment Resolution • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1441-00-00ac-d1-0-comment-resolution-clause-8-5-2-6.docx - Minho • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1258-00-00ac-proposed-resolutions-for-comments-related-to-max-lengths.docx - Peter Loc (MAC) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1472-00-00ac-comment-resolutions-on-backoff-procedures.docx - Allan (MAC) • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1471-00-00ac-comment-resolutions-on-cid-3108-3574-3754-3756.docx - David • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1467-00-00ac-d1-0-comment-resolutions-on-miscellaneous-coex-and-mac-cids.docx - Jae Seung • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1473-00-00ac-d1-0-comment-resolution-cid3408.doc - Illsoo • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1463-00-00ac-d1-0-link-adaptation-cid3730.doc - Hongyuan • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1468-00-00ac-cid-3747.docx - Simone • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1469-00-00ac-cid-3477.docx - Simone • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1475-00-00ac-d1-comment-resolution-brianh-part9.docx - Brian • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1470-01-00ac-lb178-cid-2321.docx - Youhan • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/11/11-11-1477-00-00ac-cid-3351-comment-resolution.doc - Yong • Editor Report • Adjourn Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #27 • Do you agree with resolutions to CID 3477 as in doc 11/1469r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #28 • Do you agree with the resolutions of the CIDs 2000, 2312, 3346, 3549, 2313, 2314, 2931 as in 11/1258r3? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #29 • Do you agree with resolutions to CIDs 3566 and 3330 as in 11/1441r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #30 • Do you agree with the resolutions of CID 2186, 2262, and 3469 as in doc 11/1475r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)
Straw Poll #31 • Do you agree with the resolutions of CIDs 3106, 3486, 2679, 3084, 2291 (COEX), and 2549, 3127 (MAC). (comments on P802.11ac/D1.0) as in doc 11/1467r1? • No objection Osama Aboul-Magd (HuaweiTechnologies)